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				<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 14:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Three years ago, I was abducted by aliens.</p> <p>We ate ice cream and lollipops, we also watched cartoons and the Three Stooges.<br /> I taught them how to play Checkers and they taught me how to poke stuff with an imaginary stick!</p> 
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				<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 10:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <blockquote> <p>I personally take value in everyones honest opinion about ALL of these factors.</p> </blockquote> <blockquote> <p>I take your arguments just as seriously as his.</p> </blockquote> <p>When you're unwell, do you go to your doctor? Or do you seek the opinion of the guy sweeping the street outside your house? In this context, Rand is the equivalent of the street sweeper. He <em>admits</em> to having obtained his information about Planet X as a result of alien abduction, so I hope you will pardon me if <strong>I</strong> don't take him seriously.</p> <blockquote> <p>how about YOU get out there and SHOW us how the sun and the planets work in space. Whats YOUR theory??</p> </blockquote> <p>Galileo, Kepler, Newton and Einstein have shown us how the planets work in space. That will do for me. I have no interest in planets which are invisible and have no gravitational influence.</p> 
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				<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 01:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>I'm having trouble posting signed in so I'm posting as a guest instead.</p> <p>You seem to fail to understand that in order to make claims one has to have evidence. As the old saying goes, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. He present none. Zero. Zip. Nada. Zilch. Nothing. No evidence at all, just wild stories based on a fictionaly end date predicted by the mayans (which, btw, is also wrong).</p> <p>You seem to think that he is basing his ideas on scientific facts. Sorry, but no. He's not. First and foremost, if an object as large as a planet or a dwarf star were on a collision course with Earth, we would have seen it years ago. Period. That's an undisputed fact by real scients. You know, the ones that work for real research firms and organizations like NASA, the American Astronimical Societ and the European Space Agency. They're the ones with the big telescopes. They're the ones with the satellites looking out into space. And they're the ones with the real and proven <em>merits</em> with actual research data that can be tested and confirmed. Mr. Rand, on the other hand, has none of this.</p> <p>The other simple fact of the matter is that Mr. Rand has lied about his merits and credentials. That alone should immediatly cast doubt on anything he has to say.</p> <p>You seem to think that his theories are sound. Why? He's given no real evidence and he's proved that he's clueless (go watch the bullshit episode, he makes himself look like an ass by himself, no help needed by the Bullshit staff). More importantly, do <em>you</em> understand how planetary orbital systems work? Do you understand astronomical and planetary science? Have you even passed the fifth grade?</p> <p>You say that you take our arguments as seriously as his. What arguments does he have? His own opinions and conclusions based on a flawed understanding of how the real world works. Our arguments, on the other hand, are not our opinions. We cite actual research. We cite well known scientific facts.</p> <p>Our only opinion in the entire article is that Mr. Rand is a douche that should not be trusted. Fine. You got us there. Whoopie.</p> <p>My point is simply this: Don't believe what anybody says just because they have a book and a fancy title. If they don't have any real research and their claims are based on <em>flawed</em> data then their claims are meaningless.</p> 
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				<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 01:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <blockquote> <blockquote> <p>and post NO REGARD towards ANY of the points in the literature that might have a basis in reality.</p> </blockquote> </blockquote> <p>Dear angry person, you must have missed <a href="http://www.2012hoax.org/jaysen-q-rand">this page</a>.</p> <blockquote> <blockquote> <p>At the point we are at with this, I personally take value in everyones honest opinion about ALL of these factors.</p> </blockquote> </blockquote> <p>That would be problematic for me. I only value opinions that are centered on logic and evidence. Bear in mind that claims are not evidence.</p> <blockquote> <blockquote> <p>HIS are based on a BUNCH of scientific and mythological info as far as I can tell so far.</p> </blockquote> </blockquote> <p>Okay, tell us what scientific data you're talking about, and tell us what this "mythological info" is and what connection it has to reality.</p> <p>Maybe it's worth me pointing out that there is no actual argument of any kind in your post, but I suspect you already know this.</p> 
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				<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 23:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Oh and you people are all so damn BRILLIANT that you say your piece in two sentences, attack the authors identity, and post NO REGARD towards ANY of the points in the literature that might have a basis in reality. Who gives a F*** who this guy IS?! The question is, what of the content of the book? People denounce all the DOOMSDAY stuff because they dont really understand what they have not given any real consideration to. Thats a copout. You ppl wanna laugh and make fun….. how about YOU get out there and SHOW us how the sun and the planets work in space. Whats YOUR theory?? I dont care WHAT kind of DEGREE you have or dont have. At the point we are at with this, I personally take value in everyones honest opinion about ALL of these factors. Should I disregard all of YOUR arguments against this guy because YOU have less/more education. I take your arguments just as seriously as his. Yours are based on HIS background. HIS are based on a BUNCH of scientific and mythological info as far as I can tell so far. But I still am reading the book.</p> 
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				<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 01:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>I think most of them know exactly how idiotic they sound. That's why I call them profiteering fear mongers. You invent a story based on some sort of bullshit you pull out of your ass, attach a few 'sciency' words to it, find a bunch of naieve/ignorant people and viola, now you can sell them all kinds of crap after scaring them half to death because you sound like you know what you're talking about.</p> <p>The thing here is, most of this crap is the same garbage that's been regurgitated time and time again for decades (well, the gravity and planet x stuff is sorta kinda new). It's exactly the same thing as this 'organic' fad that everybody seems to think is real or the global warming hoax. 30 years ago it was a global freezing crisis. Same stories, different people telling them.</p> 
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				<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 00:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>I enjoyed watching the Penn &amp; Teller show. As Dr. Ian O'Neill says, the doomsday representatives seem to think that they are going to get a fair hearing, but don't seem to realise how completely idiotic they appear: <a href="http://www.astroengine.com/?p=5961">http://www.astroengine.com/?p=5961</a></p> 
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				<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 21:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Oh dear god. It has a MIDI background track.</p> 
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				<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 21:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>All very good points. The problem is when people like him write a book and they slap that 'Ph. D' onto it. Then you get people who take anything they here from anybody that sounds like they have any sort of merits and immediatly think "Oh, he must be right. He has a Ph. D!!".</p> <p>Go take a look at Penn &amp; Teller's Bullshit Season 7: End of the World. Rand is standing there with a couple of balls attached to some sticks giving an example of how object orbit eachother and what happens when they collide. Here's a screen cap from the show:</p> <div class="image-container aligncenter"><a href="http://www.2012hoax.org/local--files/jaysen-q-rand/rand_demonstrating_orbit.png"><img src="http://www.2012hoax.org/local--resized-images/jaysen-q-rand/rand_demonstrating_orbit.png/small.jpg" alt="rand_demonstrating_orbit.png" class="image" /></a></div> <p>Yeah, that's <em>exactly</em> how planets orbit stars. That low rumble you hear? That's the guffaw coming from the global body of real scientists.</p> <p>Really, if people could watch Rand be the duffus he is on camera… on a national television show… named BULLSHIT of all things… nobody would ever be able to take him seriously. Penn said it best: "I'm starting to suspect that '<em>Dr.</em>' Rand doesn't know a brown dwarf from a hole in his ass."</p> 
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				<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 21:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Isn't that a bit like acetylene soot calling platinum black "black"?</p> 
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				<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 20:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>His degree is in "Energyinformative Sciences". A Google search for this subject leads (in most cases) straight back to Jaysen Q. Rand. What does that say about its validity?<br /> There's even a thread on the David Icke website about Jaysen Rand being a phoney: <a href="http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=64447">http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=64447</a><br /> If David Icke (who told us the world was ruled by lizards) thinks you're a phoney, then that's about as phoney as phoney can get.</p> 
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				<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 20:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Well, another clue is that it is in an imaginary field, "Energyinformative Sciences" which is only offered at one pseudo-university in Russia. I say "pseudo" because I am told that this field is *not* part of the curriculum at the legitimate "M. V. Lomonosov Moscow State University".</p> <p>I suspect that the "Moscow University" referenced by Rand is this place: <a href="http://www.acupuncture.ru/pvh-r19e.htm">http://www.acupuncture.ru/pvh-r19e.htm</a></p> 
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				<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 19:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>I find it very difficult to understand how someone with a doctorate… of anything… could possibly believe any of the bullshit that surrounds the Planet X theory unless he doesn't believe anything and is really writing his BS book as a way to profit on his fear mongering.</p> <p>I suppose the 'honorary' part should be a good indicator of what kind of 'expertise' this whackjob actually has.</p> 
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