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						 <p>Thanks. I appreciate you time and your thoughts.</p> 
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				<pubDate>Mon, 14 Mar 2011 21:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <blockquote> <p>2., Is it on an orbit passing through our solar system and close to our sun?</p> </blockquote> <p>Currently there is no known orbit of a planet that crosses our solar system and never was one before in the last 4.5 billion years.<br /> We can very easily see this because the planets are nearly in the same plane and the orbits of the planets are very circular.</p> <p>If such a planet would rush through our solar system then it will be detected 20-30 before because of gravitational effects on our planets and so far nothing is detected</p> 
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				<pubDate>Mon, 14 Mar 2011 17:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <blockquote> <p>1., Is there such a planet or star out there and is it where he says it is?</p> </blockquote> <p>No. Refer to the various doomsday object pages for more info (Nibiru, Planet X, Nemesis etc, they're usually mashed together by proponents anyway), or run a search through the forums, where the topics crop up a fair few times.</p> <blockquote> <p>2., Is it on an orbit passing through our solar system and close to our sun?</p> </blockquote> <p>No, for there is no such object in the first place.</p> <blockquote> <p>3., Is this it's first, second, third orbit or more?</p> </blockquote> <p>It's the 0th orbit, for there is no such object in the first place (this will become a pattern…)</p> <blockquote> <p>4., If it has had numerous orbits through our solar system when did the orbits occur when this thing was closest to our earth ? Does archeology or any other science tell of cataclysmic events on this earth at the same time?</p> </blockquote> <p>It has never been close to Earth, because there is no such object in the first place.</p> <blockquote> <p>I'm open to all ideas, but I find it difficult to take on beliefs that are not proven.</p> </blockquote> <p>Excellent choice of words there. You'll find a whole variety of claims for distant objects, but the most prominently shouted (the likes of Nibiru) just do not exist. There are no historical records for them, there are no sightings of them in any wavelength, from any sky survey etc. There are so many things wrong with the claims is a wonder anyone can take them as fact.</p> <blockquote> <p>I find it equally as hard to not believe things that are not proven untrue.</p> </blockquote> <p>Nobody can prove a negative, the best you'll get here is being pointed to a whole variety of data and methods that <em>would</em> show such an object, but simply doesn't find anything. Many proponents say 'it's not visible because it's only visible in Infrared'. Well guess what? We've surveyed the skies at many Infrared wavelengths and still haven't found anything matching the description that proponents put forward. Weakens their claims a bit, doesn't it?</p> <blockquote> <p>I want you guys to win this argument.</p> </blockquote> <p>It's not an argument, it's cold hard science, and the cold hard data gathered from multiple experiments over many decades through different fields of science and even history, there has been no supporting evidence for proponents claims. Heck, they even take known science and flat out lie about it in order to try to convince people. That's not how science works, it's how conspiracy theorists work, it's how fear mongers work.</p> 
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				<pubDate>Mon, 14 Mar 2011 17:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>There has been no discovery of Nibiru by NASA. Marshall trots out the time-worn IRAS findings and ensuing article in the Washington Post by O'Toole (1983). The IRAS findings listed several unknown objects and listed potential identifications. One of the potential identifications of one of the objects was 'blackbody'. That could be a planet. So O'Toole seizes upon this to bias his article HUGELY toward that possibility, despite straight-out comments from a scientist that we don't know what this object is yet. He even goes so far as to RIDICULE the scientists for not coming to his conclusion. So, anyone believing that this article is an announcement by NASA of a discovery of a planet not only ignores repeated words in the article indicating uncertainty, but believes a newspaper reporter speaks for NASA and NASA scientists do NOT. I encourage you to read the article fully. Note how the author pushes the planet conclusion, but how the NASA scientists do not. (If you need a link to a full text, I can get it… I'm in a bit of a rush.)</p> <p>And here's a video to watch talking more about it. It also talks about what the final identification was: distant galaxy.<br /> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrsGpRKuon8">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrsGpRKuon8</a><br /> (You can check the links in the 3WMElliot's text for verification.)</p> <p>I gotta go, but this is an example of two things:<br /> (1) Just how WRONG Marshall's supposed evidence is<br /> (2) How much text goes into even a quick coverage of one point</p> 
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						 <p>I was hoping to hear at least one of you debunk the author's technical and scientific assertions as he says were found by NASA and the others he quoted. Instead you concentrate on his conclusions. I would like to know the answers to these questions: 1., Is there such a planet or star out there and is it where he says it is? 2., Is it on an orbit passing through our solar system and close to our sun? 3., Is this it's first, second, third orbit or more? 4., If it has had numerous orbits through our solar system when did the orbits occur when this thing was closest to our earth ? Does archeology or any other science tell of cataclysmic events on this earth at the same time? I'm open to all ideas, but I find it difficult to take on beliefs that are not proven. I find it equally as hard to not believe things that are not proven untrue. You all seem to have problems with his conclusions or suppositions and speculated motives, i.e., money and etc. I personally would like to have your proof that the dots he connects to reach his conclusions are incomplete or false. Neither the debunked or the debunkers have conclusively proven their assertions. I'm not impartial though. I want you guys to win this argument. I don't want to see the earth destroyed.</p> 
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				<pubDate>Wed, 02 Mar 2011 15:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <blockquote> <p>I am always amazed at people and websites that take such interest in attacking other peoples work.</p> </blockquote> <p>When that 'work' consists of the promotion of fear and anxiety by creating deliberate lies and distortions about a fictitious 'end of the world' for financial gain, then I think it's well worth attacking. Wouldn't you agree?</p> <blockquote> <p>Prehaps spends your effort producing something of value</p> </blockquote> <p>Why do you think that reassuring people who have been put in fear of their lives is not of value? Many people find it to be of sufficient value to thank us. Read the latest example <a href="http://www.2012hoax.org/forum/t-260847/dealing-with-your-fears#post-1020332">here</a>.</p> <blockquote> <p>But I see little offered as to why his work is false or faked? Where is your research?</p> </blockquote> <p>Feel free to point out anything you disagree with.</p> 
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				<pubDate>Wed, 02 Mar 2011 14:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>I'm always amazed at how people post comments like this but completely fail to point out exactly where their problem lies. For example, which specific claim of Marshall's do you take issue with, or rather which specific claim have we failed to research?</p> 
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				<pubDate>Wed, 02 Mar 2011 14:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Yes, attacking his "work" that is basically recycled from the failed claimed Planet X arrival in 2003 to continue making money through useless publications. That speaks volumes as to the credibility of it. You say there is no research, but obviously you have not read the pages to the left about the individual claims. If you would have done this you would find plenty of evidence and research refuting the various claims. If you want to buy into somebody who wants you to spend your earned money on useless crap then more power to you bud.</p> 
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						 <p>I am always amazed at people and websites that take such interest in attacking other peoples work. Prehaps spends your effort producing something of value. I see little her but people saying No-No-No. But I see little offered as to why his work is false or faked? Where is your research?</p> 
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				<title>from patrick geryl page (math section)comparison</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2011 01:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>54,983,900,000,000,000,000,000,000 joules. one megaton bomb=4.18&nbsp;10to the fifteenth that is 1.31839 to the 11th power less that is 1,318,390,000,000joules less thats a lot less</p> 
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				<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 17:58:29 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Actually of come to think of.<br /> There is a 0.1% chance that he will get hit by a car!<br /> There is a 33% chance that the bunker will be delayed because of cost overruns and unexpected delayss.<br /> There is a 95% that people will be very angry at him on 22 December 2012.</p> 
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				<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 17:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <blockquote> <p>You must be very gullible. If I told you that an invasion of flying purple pigs would take place in 2012,</p> </blockquote> <p>That is a new one!</p> <p>Unlike the 2012 claims with a 0.01% chance of being probable, the flying purple pigs chance is double that: 0.02%!</p> 
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				<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 17:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <blockquote> <p>What if Masters and others like him are only .01% right?</p> </blockquote> <p>That would mean that they are 99.99% wrong.</p> <p>And when you look at their so called facts then that number increases to 100% complete wrong.</p> 
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				<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 10:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <blockquote> <blockquote> <p>What if Masters and others like him are only .01% right?<br /> That would mean that you and the other self righteous idiots are F-!</p> </blockquote> </blockquote> <p>How do you propose quantifying the percentage Marshall Masters' claims that are correct? If he were truly 0.01% correct, it would mean that he is 99.99% wrong. In order for most of his more remarkable claims to be true, many if not all of the misconceptions and lies he weaves building up to these conclusions must also be true. As such I don't think it's possible for him to be ".01% right," unless of course you count mundane remarks like, "The planets orbit the Sun."</p> <p>In terms of his "scientific" conclusions, Mr. Masters is 100% wrong. He is also <a href="http://yowusa.com/war/2009/war-2009-07a/1.shtml">100% deceptive</a>.</p> <blockquote> <blockquote> <p>Goodbye and Good luck to all of you lame brain, idiot, judgemental, morons!</p> </blockquote> </blockquote> <p>As explained by bikenbeer, you are welcome to peruse the list of topics on the left and take note of any errors you find. That would be the most constructive path of dialogue, in my opinion, as opposed to your chosen approach of hysteria and insults.</p> 
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				<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 07:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Let me put it to you this way, Dallas:</p> <p>The 2012 mass destruction story is just this:</p> <p>Step 1: Someone came up with an scary story.<br /> Step 2: They then gathered 'info' that supported it (sorta, but not if you read it closely).<br /> Step 3: They IGNORED info that did not fit.<br /> Step 4: They then put it out there on the internet and build a website to make money.</p> <p>Because of Step 3, the chance of this being true is pretty much zero. They can tell as many scary stories as they want, say a hundred, but so long as they go through Step 3, it's meaningless. 100 x ZERO = ZERO.</p> 
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Dec 2010 03:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>I'll make you a deal…</p> <p>Just before you lock yourself in, drop me a note with your location. I want to be there with my camera on the 22nd.</p> 
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Dec 2010 02:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Dallas</p> <p>This site has examined all the doomsday claims and I can tell you that they are all complete bunk. Look down the list at the left. Tell us what you disagree with. Maybe you'll find nothing wrong with them, which means that you have no reason to prepare for any of these physically impossible events.</p> <p>You must be very gullible. If I told you that an invasion of flying purple pigs would take place in 2012, would you run around in a panic or could you see for yourself how ridiculous it is? Well that's how it is with the 2012 predictions. I'm not wasting time and money preparing for flying purple pigs or anything else.</p> 
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						 <p>Why do all the nuts automatically assume none of us are prepared for realistic disasters? I for one do not see the reason to sink time and money in preparing for the 2012 scenarios.</p> <p>Why?</p> <p>Because, dear Dallas, if the minority of people with their laws of physics breaking claims end up being right? We'll be dead. The world will be destroyed, obliterated, gone.</p> <p>End of story.</p> <p>So, nope. Not preparing for it. Bunkers won't save you from their supposed predictions. Works for me.</p> 
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						 <p>Please Dallas,</p> <p>Enlighten all on what to expect. I mean, you do have all the answers.</p> 
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						 <p>Frank,<br /> You, like every other 'debunker' are going to be shitting yourself, while pissing down your leg, when you all are banging on the bunker doors while looking over your shoulders at when the WTSHTF terror day, (notice I did not say 'if' but 'when')crying your eyes out wishing to yourselves "if only I had listened!"<br /> What if Masters and others like him are only .01% right?<br /> That would mean that you and the other self righteous idiots are F<span style="text-decoration: line-through;">-</span>!<br /> Just follow the old nuclear fallout manual directive;<br /> "empty your pockets of sharp objects,<br /> get under a table, put your head between your knees,<br /> cover your head with your hands,<br /> then KISS YOUR ASS GOODBYE!"<br /> Goodbye and Good luck to all of you lame brain, idiot, judgemental, morons!<br /> I for one, plan on keeping my options open, have decided (just in case) to begin preparing!<br /> Dallasdave</p> 
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