every end of the long baktun cycles, or beginning, however you wanna look at it, there's a massive shift in earth's evolutionary cycle

A Baktun is 20 x 18 x 20 x 20 days, i.e. 144,000 days. As Professor Brian Cox says, if human beings had 24 fingers and toes instead of 20, a Baktun might well have incorporated multiples of 24 instead of 20. Why should the number of digits belonging to human beings be connected to the repetition of a 'massive shift in earth's evolutionary cycle'?

Why do you people make up this nonsense?
If you didn't make it up, then why are you so willing to believe and repeat made-up nonsense from someone else?

their calendar … does show that every end of the long baktun cycles … there's a massive shift in earth's evolutionary cycle.

Please submit your evidence for this claim, and I will ask Archaeologist Johan Normark, Anthropologist John Hoopes, and Epigrapher Mark Van Stone to comment on it.

I don't think you can provide evidence for this claim. This claim is bunk. It's the kind of vague hand-waving claim that we've become far too accustomed to from the proponents of a 2012 event.

The scientific community is united in this: The Maya did not predict that the end of the Bak'tun would result in anything, other than a big party to celebrate the anniversary of their creation mythology.

Now, you appear to have picked up on my anger.

Mea Culpa. Mea freaking big stinking deal culpa. I'm mad, and I don't mind admitting it.

Tell you what, you give a talk to some 12 year olds about astronomy, and have one of them come up to you, in tears asking you if they're going to die in 3 years, because of some of the stupid, obnoxiously wrong, and utterly idiotic things that people are writing in books, and online. Then talk to me about how I care too much. Only do me a favor, and do it face-to-face, please.

Spoken like a true, confused and often contradictory individual who is probably experiencing some sort of self-loathing which would account for the child-like rage that has been bestowed upon your troubled little mind.

You're sadly mistaken, we here, especially the owner and the 2012hoax team are simply helping people, mainly children, through these troubling accusations of a coming doomsday in 2012, your rage is simply amusing to me because in all actuality, it's blinding you from even seeing what's truly going on. We're not claiming that the world will never end, we're simply claiming and showing proof that the doomsday claims in 2012 are false and completely absurd.

You contradict yourself first by semi-complimenting the website and then disrespecting the website. Have you taken your medication?

To be quite honest and I truly mean no disrespect, but your post really makes me think of an angry, uneducated 13 year old who simply wants to direct his, or her anger at something that they think they know something about.

However while you're living your family life, I'll be in the Netherlands at a festival. Tata.

So this site has had the same amount of energy people have put into making theories about 2012, put into debunking it.

Actually, it takes more time to obtain evidence and construct solid arguments, than to simply fabricate nonsense.

there's a massive shift in earth's evolutionary cycle.

Do you have any evidence to this effect? Do you have any evidence that the Maya knew anything about any "evolutionary cycle?"

that's obviously impossible to show

Emphasis mine. So you're just letting you imagination run. That's fine, but I should care … why?

the Maya calendars showed that changes were to happen and evolution would jump start or something new would evolve.

But you just admitted that you're just imagining this, so what exactly is your point?

They also seems to show a better knowledge of astrology and astronomy.

"Better" relative to what or who? Better than some other ancient civilizations, certainly. Better than the ancient Greeks? Better than the ancient Chinese? Better than modern astronomers? Nope.

From what I can take out of all knowledge I've gotten out of life, which isn't that much at all, is that there is something fantastic to happen in our lifetimes, I believe it to be a heightened consciousness

Yet you can offer no evidence whatsoever in support of this belief. Why should I care, and what does your belief have to do with the veracity of the information on this website?

This site is a good idea, but executed poorly.

That's your opinion, obviously. For all your disappointment, however, I'm now halfway into your post and you've yet to explain why with anything more than your imagination.

All debunkers seem to have the same agenda, DESTROY ANY AND ALL POSSIBLE TRUTH to whatever is being criticized. You all seems to loath these ideas just as evangelists hate "the gay gene" or any religion hates infedels or how scientology hates stupid people. Doesn't matter what your saying is truth or not because you put way too much bias in you opinions.

First, it's probably a mistake to use the term "debunkers" in such a general context. Second, exactly which portions(s) of this site would say are trying to "DESTROY ANY AND ALL POSSIBLE TRUTH to whatever is being criticized?" That's a pretty nasty claim — offensive, to be honest — so I'm only assuming you can point to something in support of it.

This site is worthless because it doesn't matter if world's going to end or not

On the contrary, it matters if people are claiming that the world will end, when there is no evidence that it will, but the claims are scaring people to varying points of hysteria, including suicide, anyway. The point isn't whether the world will end, but that there is no evidence in support of the 2012 claims addressed here. The handful of people I've seen helped by various users on this site, just in my short time posting here, make it anything but "worthless."

…what matters is what we do now with the knowledge we have.

It think that exposing falsehoods is a good application of that knowledge.

not about who's right and who's wrong about something thats probably not going to happen and if it does, then what?

The problem here is that the doomsayers are disrupting lives. You seem so adamant about everybody getting along. If that's an accurate perception, why is your rage directed here, instead of at the people who are actually causing harm by lying about 2012?

You'd have lives your life arguing and hating and at the end of the world you have nothing to show about it.

Here you make the terrible but not uncommon assumption that arguing, pointing out errors, debunking, etc. are synonymous or at least hopelessly entangled with "hate." That is simply not the case.

I'm going to go write some music people can dance to, play with my daughter and dogs, treat my friends to good times, cook some good food, and meet new people.

Unfortunately, there are people who find it harder and harder to do those things due to their concern about 2012 doomsday claims.

their calendar (certain ones, considering there's about 8 or so different calendars they used on a daily basis, supposedly) does show that every end of the long baktun cycles, or beginning, however you wanna look at it, there's a massive shift in earth's evolutionary cycle

Any reference to this, or should we just take your word for it? As you said, there are 8 different calenders. It's not all that unlikelly that some "end date" coincides with an shift in earths evolutionary cycle (whatever that is supposed to mean)

They also seems to show a better knowledge of astrology and astronomy

This was really original, huh?=) In what way do you figure that they had a better understanding of astrology (that could be true though) and astronomy (not likelly)? As Alene Y mentioned the Mayans believed the world was flat, and rested on a giant gators back. Is this something you believe in as well?

As many actual Mayan scholars have said many times before me, they were in fact an advanced culture. But, and this is a big but (no pun intended), they were advanced by that times meassures (and not THE MOST advanced either).

Other than that, I think that what you say is correct. Each and every one of us should strive to make the most out of life, and that is exactly why this site exists. Because of the doomsday scare some people are actually contemplating suicide, and in those cases I think it's vital to point out that there is no real treat to our existence (only illusionary fairytales fabricated to sell books). Don't you agree?

In my eyes there's a significant difference in fabricating a story consisting of false claims in order to make a buck at other peoples expense, and to counter these lies with actual evidence that nothing out of the ordinary is expected to happen. And I don't see this as a vaste of time since it helps quite a few people out there.

Finally, I do realize that you wil simply see this as if I just proved your point, but I can live with that;)

But I heard about the 'Bolon Yokte' that Monument 6 talks about being a god of war, conflict and underworld.

That is apparently true, as is the fact that that god was supposedly present at the creation of the world (according to the Maya).

With regard to your fears about the Maya making a prediction, David Stuart (an epigrapher) says this:

Frankly, the Tortuguero passage,
buried in lots of other data, hasn't been a huge deal to most of us
because it is damaged and very, very ambiguous. There really isn't a
whole lot to say about it when all is said and done. And even if the
glyphs there were clear and legible, no Mayanist I know honestly
believes that the Classic Maya foresaw something that might actually
come true in our day and age.¹

You know the whole end of the world/rapture/whatever you want to call it,
that religious people are always predicting? I'm afraid that this
underworld /war god descending, combined with some stuff from Chilam
Baklam saying things about 'blood-vomit' coming and 'kuklucan', means that
the Mayans were predicting all the 'Satan/devil' huge war thing from the
bible.

I'm REALLY worried about this 'creation' coming to an end because of some
huge war between good and evil… :( I'm also confused because they said
the creation date was 3000-something BC when it's obvious the world and
humans were created way before then. Why should I be afraid of this, when
the last creation they were talking about didn't actually happen?

My family keeps telling me, supernatural stuff with the 'Devil' and Gods
is bogus and made-up stories. They say that the Mayans were just talking
about the solstice or some other astronomical event, and that they didn't
believe in a real re-creation and that it doesn't apply to anyone but the
Mayans. But I'm still so scared!! If this had been disproved before and it
was just someone changing the date every time it didn't happen, then I
wouldn't be scared as much. But who knows if this is the real thing or
not?

Please help!

The monument you are talking about is at Tortuguero, not Palenque. Unlike Palenque, which was a large, and important urban center, Tortuguero was a small outlying community. The Palenque Maya did not cycle their counts at 13, but rather at 20.

Also, remember that "Maya" is an artificial group imposed by the colonialists. The individual communities were essentially feudal city-states, each with their own king, their own priesthood, and their own politics. They were more or less organized by the language group that they spoke.

Now, the Tortuguero monument six is the one and only monument that references to the so-called 'end date', and the monument appears to be associated with a building, or about the building. It is far from clear what the monument actually says, because it is partially damaged.

At Palenque there are monuments that reference dates past our year 4000. Most scholars of the Mayan calendric system think that the 3113 date was picked by figuring backward from a given date to one that had 'auspicious signs'.

See the references on the Mayan Calendar page for more details.

Arguelles is obviously batshit crazy… right now he's in New Zealand trying to construct a psychic rainbow bridge between the poles of the earth. Seriously.

Jenkins is not batshit crazy. He is one of the major forces behind the whole 'Galactic Alignment' idea. I think Jenkins is sincere in his beliefs, and he has apparently done some hands-on research. However, I think he's terribly wrong, and most Mayanist scholars as well as astronomers agree on that point.

Yes, that's a great article. We've already seen it via the 'Newsday' version linked on the Mayan Prediction page. But, it's always good to repeat it: The Maya do not think the end of the world is in 2012, and they're rather perplexed and annoyed by it.

lol :D

Well, I hope it rains in Apolinario Chile Pixtun's land.

It says in the article that the only thing that's going to happen on December 21, 2012, is that there's going to be a big party. So let me make a prediciton: There's going to be a big party on December 31, 2012. This is tied in to the Gregorian calendar. A cycle ends on that day and a new one starts the next day.

That's a sure fire prediction, since it happens every year. A large ball drops in New York City's Times Square. People get drunk and smash up their cars.

How much you wanna bet that Apolinario Chile Pixtun uses the Gregorian calendar in his everyday life?

1. In this economy, I believe that the History Channel and Hollywood provoke this fear so people will spend money on various "dream Items" or with the belief "Well we are gonna die soon anyways mind as well spend the money". This may be outlandish but its a thought in relation to the information in which you have provided to the people using fear to profit on misconception.

2. It may get more people to conform to certain religions based on fear.

So these are my observations. The question I want to ask is,

Who misconceived the Mayan Calender? Who started this Myth? Who is solely responsible? Is there one person or a group of people responsible for this claim?I have read through your site as thorough as I could, but this question has remained unresolved. Forgive me If I have over looked it in a part of your website and I apologize If I am wasting your time by asking a redundant question.

Thanks again for the information, and an excellent site!! It has eased my mind alot!

Yes, it is very cryptic, and yes, it is an astrological document (in that it contains quite a bit of Mayan astronomy and astrology).

Perhaps you would care to cite the "original 2012 prophecy", and where it is contained in the Dresden codex? Having you tell me that Raymond Mardyks has found it doesn't do me much good.