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thx for this info, I just saw the video on youtube and thought wtf. he talking about, and with september getting close I got worried lol. But again after thinking it over I said to myself how can he know all this, anyways we will see on the 26th :)
Well, im not saying that what he and his people are saying is true. but the same was said about Noah as he tried to spread news to people. 3 and 1/2 years of building a ship in the desert is pretty crazy but he was right and the floods did come. Jesus was preaching news that many called him a joke… Truth is the world is full of alot of people filled with negative selfish energy and if Retrov is correct then at least we can rid the world of millions of downers…AND the weather man is wrong MOST of them time but i still go to the store and stock up on water and such when a big storm is predicted. By you reading it for FREE, he didnt make a penny off of you so what have YOU really lost? i have no idea if he is correct or what i really believe, it just irks me to no end when people read something and then read ONE negative thing about someone and quickly believe a total stranger who posted the negative stuff about this guy. You dont even know who THIS is that made up this site: why automatically believe this site any more than Alexanders? He didnt tell you to believe him. He told you NOT to take his word for it. I hope a storm comes and wipes out all you idiots that spend too much time online and not enough time finding your own truth! What incentive does THIS site have in trying to discredit some they DONT know? i challenge you to step out of your blind robotic mentality and let your own heart tell you what and who is true.
but the same was said about Noah as he tried to spread news to people.
The Noah's Ark story isn't true.
You dont even know who THIS is that made up this site: why automatically believe this site any more than Alexanders?
Because Alexander Retrov has no scientific evidence which proves him true. Simple like that. Unless you can prove he is right. Can you? No?
"All science is either physics or stamp collecting." - Ernest Rutherford
but the same was said about Noah as he tried to spread news to people. 3 and 1/2 years of building a ship in the desert is pretty crazy but he was right and the floods did come.
There's no evidence of such a flood. I'm not having a go at the bible, I'm just stating a fact.
Truth is the world is full of alot of people filled with negative selfish energy and if Retrov is correct then at least we can rid the world of millions of downers
He's not even close to correct.
AND the weather man is wrong MOST of them time but i still go to the store and stock up on water and such when a big storm is predicted.
Only common sense I suppose. What does that have to do with anything though? Unlike anything this Retrov guy proposes, storms and bad weather actually happen, his scenarios come from fantasy land.
I hope a storm comes and wipes out all you idiots that spend too much time online and not enough time finding your own truth!
Charming. I suppose you have 'the truth' then do you? Ok, point out something that's innacurate on this site that is said about this particular idiot you appear to be defending.
i challenge you to step out of your blind robotic mentality and let your own heart tell you what and who is true.
And I challenge you to give me a reason to believe you. Hand waving rants and the ole "wake your asses up!!!!" garbage don't really do it for me.
The great thing about science is, it's true whether you believe in it or not.
I was immediately sceptical of this guy when he claimed a source he wouldn't name "A colleague of mine in LA, who's in the CIA", less than a few minute into his video. Not only that, but he's selling videos for an event he claims will destroy all life as we know it on the planet within a few weeks - umm, when/where do you plan on making use of your earnings for this video/tour, etc? But, I kept listening, and as I did I was amazed that there are actually people out there believing all his shit. This guy is a fearmongering con-artist, don't believe a single word he says. He should be in jail for what he's doing.
Glad to see more skeptics showing up here! And yep. I have always wondered what they were going to do with all that money after the "apocalypse." They are con-artists and really should be treated as such.
"Does it trouble your mind / the way you trouble mine?"
Thank you for this. You have done a much better job than me on debunking this fraud. If permitted may I reference my post today before I found your article.
quakewatch.wordpress.com/2011/09/21/alexander-retrov-the-ultimate-scaremonger/
Please remove if you don't permit this.
Thanks for the link, David. Nicely written article on this sick con-artist.
the book of revelations speaks of all of what is and has been happening. How many bibles have been sold over the years? HOw many dvd's? you are all fools to believe this site any stronger than you believe some guy who's spreading news that predicts an unpleasant forecast. i bet the people in haiti and indonesia wished they would have had a chance to hear of such news and prepare or reject. I bet if you whole neighborhood was wiped out you would be thinking if only someone could have warned us. Get out of the matrix and think for yourself. Doomsday IS here for a large portion of the globe ALREADY! war, drought, famine, aids, flooding, earthquakes, tsunami's ,etc… even if he was trying to make a living he is surely right about shit hitting the fan..it has been and looks like it aint lettin up anytime soon. time to weed out the fat and lazy and gluttonous and pollutive and abusive and parasitic and addicted and selfish and hateful and apathetic people. God will always have the last say in it all anyway. peace out.
How many copies of Harry Potter have been sold? How many DVDs, how many audio books, how many lunchboxes? The only numbers worth paying attention to are those that belong in cold hard data - the type of data that disagrees with Retrov on all accounts.
the book of revelations speaks of all of what is and has been happening. How many bibles have been sold over the years?
Oh for f*#k sake, what is wrong with you people?
i bet the people in haiti and indonesia wished they would have had a chance to hear of such news and prepare or reject.
Earthquakes happen, that's a true fact of life. What's your point? You're going back and forth from religious based B.S to Alexander Retrov. Why? Give us a reason we're wrong, stop hiding behind the 'God knows all' stuff. That basically translates to "I have no evidence, but I believe in some guy so anything I say must be true."
time to weed out the fat and lazy and gluttonous and pollutive and abusive and parasitic and addicted and selfish and hateful and apathetic people.
Yeah yeah, rant on buddy, your insanity becomes more clear.
God will always have the last say in it all anyway. peace out.
Yeeeeaaaaahhhh riiiiigggghhhtttt!
The great thing about science is, it's true whether you believe in it or not.
Doomsday IS here for a large portion of the globe ALREADY! war, drought, famine, aids, flooding, earthquakes, tsunami's ,etc…
Then, the doomsday is here since… hrr… thousands of years ago.
"All science is either physics or stamp collecting." - Ernest Rutherford
Then, the doomsday is here since… hrr… thousands of years ago.
Doomsday is here since 2000 years ago… lol i like that can I use that… lol
sorry
Revelations 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified by his angel unto his servant John:
shortly to come to pass… 1900 years very short time I guess on the grand scale of things
Revelations 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
Those that pierced him shall see him come again in the clouds… well did they? they been dead for 1900 years? yes I know there is the arguement that the dead will live again and all that…
Mathew 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Jesus mistakenly tells his followers that he will return and establish his kingdom within their lifetime.
Mathew 23:36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
Jesus predicts the end of the world or the second coming within the lifetime of his listeners.
I see stupid people…
you are all fools to believe this site any stronger than you believe some guy who's spreading news that predicts an unpleasant forecast
So if someone in your family committed suicide because they didn't want to face what Retrov is predicting, he would still be an OK sort of guy would he?
even if he was trying to make a living he is surely right about shit hitting the fan
As far as this video is concerned, he isn't right. That's a certainty.
time to weed out the fat and lazy and gluttonous and pollutive and abusive and parasitic and addicted and selfish and hateful and apathetic people
I didn't know that natural diasters were selective in this way. Only in your fantasy world, I think.
i am posting that link on EVERY youtube re-posting of his videos i can find. but they'll probably get deleted
i only made it through a couple of minutes of his long winded, i can't even describe it, maniac rantings, before deciding to something more productive with my time, like taking a nap.
Retrov is a complete fraud talks absolute shit! You can tell when he is talking that he is nervous sometimes stumbling over his words, because he knows he is full of shit! If you believe him you live in lala land!
Thank you to the creator of this site for supplying the info about this nutter, anyone can check the facts for themselves and hey its the 27th september and what do you know, we are still here!
may I ask a very stupid question/statemant that can be refuted by others or not as is seen fit. Retrov implies (as I understand it) that the alignment of planets causes vibrations to move through space, to earth thus causing earthquakes. So is the latest alignment supposed to be Sun, Elenin, Moon, Earth, if this is so - I know that the moon has earthquakes does it show any indications of corresponding earthquakes or does it not work like that - prob over simple but hey ho just wondering
PS To all I hold no weight to his theories whatsoever, just might refute him some more, sorry to all science bods if I am completely off mark!
Hi Chantal;
That's not a stupid question at all. The short answer is "no", that the moon does not show any seismic activity related to alignments or Retrov's 'vibrational harmonics'.
It's worth pointing out that the moon is geologically very nearly dead. It is thought that there is still a molten core, but mostly its upper layers have completely cooled and hardened. It does not have continental plates like the earth does. "moonquakes" are a bit mysterious in their origin, simply because we don't have enough seismic instruments on the moon to learn much about them, and the ones we had placed there are no longer active.
There's a good article on moonquakes at http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2006/15mar_moonquakes/
"Do you ever think about things you do think about?" - Henry Drummond to Matthew Harrison Brady in Inherit the Wind
Seismometers left on the Moon by the Apollo astronauts showed that moonquakes occur, but they are not the same as earthquakes because the Moon doesn't have any moving tectonic plates like the Earth. One of the causes of moonquakes is thought to be Earth tides and since the Earth has 81 times the mass of the Moon, its tide-raising force will be proportionally greater than that of the Moon on the Earth.
More information here.
I suppose Retrov and friends ought to be claiming that these alignments produce moonquakes as well, but since there's no correlation with earthquakes, we can expect the correlation with moonquakes to be similarly zero.
Hi chantal. Thank you for posing the question and Astro and Biker for answering it. Once again from this site, I have learnt something new. I never knew about moonquakes and I will read the articles presented.
Thank you
Also, are these sonic vibrations supposed to move around sperical objects to their target area or go through them, cos am pretty certain that there have been no big earthquakes today yet, (say yet as only a fool or a charlaten tries to predict them and one could quite possibly occur today due to the movement of tectonic plates not imaginary alignments), I am no scientist and am trying to propose quite badly that if his theory had one inch of truth surely only the area(s) of the planet that were directly in the line of the alignment would be affected and even if elenin had not disintegrated that is only 3-4km wide - does that make sense have just finished music lesson with year five and with all the noise thought that an earthquake had already arrived (lol)
Technically it does have an effect. However every atom in the complete earth gets pulled with the same force into one direction making the differential force infinitely small. It moves the complete Earth but no force for an Earth quake.
Also the further away the object is the more infinity small that force difference would be because of the inverse square law of gravitational effect.
On top of that. Earth rotates, and that has a far bigger effect on gravitational force than the distant object itself.
Earth quakes should pop up like the tides twice a day and very predictable as 2 peaks.
The big question is about the Moon, that seems to have a big effect on us.
Yes, because it is massive, it is very close and if you look at the gravitational pull vectors then every atom actually gets pushed towards the equator because the Moon is that close. The gravitational pull is not parallel like the distant object but under a slight angle. (you can calculate that angle because you know the size of Earth and the distance of the Moon and this is a triangle)
And even though the Moon Have such a big influence as tides it still does not show up 2 distinct earth quake peeks per day. The moon is probably even preventing big earth quakes to form because it is smearing out any forces.
In short the forces, that causes these Earth quakes are way stronger than the influence of even the moon. It is a bit like trying to hear a childs triangle from 100 meters away while you are at the loudest heavy metal festival ever recorded.
So is he suggesting that alignments cause the atoms to move with enough force as ti create earthquakes? Sorry am trying hard to.understand but cant. Is this right the sun moon and other planets do cause earths atoms to all move in one direction (like iron filings and a magnet) but not enough to shift tectonic plates. Sorry but I like learning new stuff. Thanks
Ok, ALL atoms move are attracted with the exact same force.
If the ground and you move in the same direction then you do not feel a force ;-)
Have you ever learned about vectors in school?
Chantal, Trevor Alexander (aka Alexander Retrov) is invoking a mechanism that doesn't make any sense, because "sonic vibrations" can't propagate through space. The man is scientifically illiterate.
What obaeyens is saying is that the force of gravity is mathematically infinite, but there comes a point where its effect is so small that we can't even detect it. When talking about a tiny comet millions of miles away, it is far too weak to cause earthquakes on Earth. It couldn't do that even if it were to orbit our planet closer than the moon. Your car and your house have more of a gravitational effect on Earth than any comet or asteroid.
I get all that, what I was trying to say badly was that how could his "sonic vibrations" affect a surface area greater than the body that they originated from. The strength of Earthquake vibrations decrease the further away that you are from the epicentre, so
sort of
---- (energy dissipates)
SUN --- Elenin --- Moon ---- Eth
---- (energy dissipates)
do you get it?LOL AHHHHH was trying to logically show that this man is wrong
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"Do you ever think about things you do think about?" - Henry Drummond to Matthew Harrison Brady in Inherit the Wind
What obaeyens is saying is that the force of gravity is mathematically infinite, but there comes a point where its effect is so small that we can't even detect it.
That is one of the things.
The other thing with vectors meant that if you put the same force at the back side and front and sides and centre (use strings) in the same direction, the complete block moves but do not get pressed together. So Earth moves in its orbit but does not cause Earthquakes.
Retrov's statements on his failings..or rather how he's NOT really wrong because well because he said so!
I have had a chance to review the comments and actions that have unfolded, or not unfolded, in the passed few days. Firstly, I am only doing what my heart tells me to do. I believe i was given the true events, but ‘wrong’ date for a reason, that reason being to expose people’s true state of heart prior to the actual events unfolding. And oh how it has done that. Just look at how people have ‘turned’ venting their anger. I told everyone NOT to believe me, to do your own research and trust your own heart. But look in the mirror, how did YOU choose to react? I am just a trigger to bring these things to the surface. Some of you sent wondering blessings of awareness, others vicious attacks. I have noticed only one thing can create such reactions in people – Truth – either their recognition of it, or denial of it. If people even bothered to ask politely, we would have responded, but alas people choose to attack blindly without even thinking. That is a sad reflection on them. The events WILL happen – when? The next 6 weeks may well have many people eating their words. But how many will be able to shift what is in their hearts?
Remember this whole thing isn’t about Elenin the comet per se, but rather what else is coming. Elenin is NASA’s red herring.
If NASA focused on Elenin to bring attention to something close, but not exactly, where something is happening, and Elenin was one of numerous comets in a swarm following a brown dwarf, then sooner or later you would see a number of comet tails. What better way to ‘advance the story’ than to create the threat in the sky, then ‘break it up’ and the threat is gone. Especially if several tails became visible.
At the end of the day, these earth changes would not be happening because of one comet, or a dozen of them. And what dragged the comets in here in the first place.
Of course, the questions one immediately asks is 'where are the other comets', especially now since his 'events' are due to happen in 'the next six weeks', and 'why are there no perturbations in the orbits of the planets'.
Questions that no proponents can answer, or has answered.
I believe i was given the true events, but ‘wrong’ date for a reason, that reason being to expose people’s true state of heart prior to the actual events unfolding.
That's only a marginally better excuse than Nancy "My dates were a little white lie to fool the establishment" Lieder.
The next 6 weeks may well have many people eating their words.
Is someone able to quote this to him in six weeks? I'd love to hear his reaction but, reading the rest of this, he'll only pass it off as "Oh, I was just exposing your true heart. Again."
Elenin is NASA’s red herring.
The comet that wasn't found by NASA of course. Unless he means NASA to have so many fingers in so many pies as to point the humble Leonid Elenin in the right direction and allow him to take all the credit…
Gah, I can see why people think Retrov is barking after going through this.
retard alert. a brown dwarf simply CAN'T BE followed by a comet. The comet would fall in it or orbit around it.
There's a Retrov debunking video here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXkWkuBkFOo
I lost count how many times the word 'FAIL' is superimposed on Retrov's original footage.
The author of the video seems to have borrowed Astrogeek's alignment simulation images from this site's debunking page.
Did they? Awesome! We'll have to link that video on the Retrov page.
"Do you ever think about things you do think about?" - Henry Drummond to Matthew Harrison Brady in Inherit the Wind
Language advisory is needed if you're going to link to this video. He's also borrowed the list of earthquakes from the Retrov page.
He's made another short video the day after the end of the world where he goes out into his garden, finds that everything appears normal and walks off, disappointed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MJF5QDOo7Q
love the use of language -«the next six weeks may well have» Dictionary def of may- (might) used to express a possibility, wish or permission. In this context the use of may indicates a get out clause when nothing happens. Note doesn't say will have this is a deliberate use of ambiguity and written to avoid losing whatever credability he may have from his followers
Sorry also have to add, very strong use of blame, I told everyone not to believe me, how you chose to react. Passes the buck constantly. Puts the onus onto the reader. No sense of responsibility for his incorrect ideas / predictions.
